In their own words

[DvT]UY · 10-25-2007, 08:35 PM

TheirOwnWords.com : Home

Rather sobering. Go read the reports and see the videos on the RH side of the website.

xprime · 10-25-2007, 10:01 PM

I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.

~Albert Einstein

They have reasons to hate us. I don't fear them as much as I fear us.

slinki · 10-26-2007, 02:23 AM

I have no problem with their reform and realignment as long as it doesn't involve the US military influeces and isn't a direct threat to others.

Our borders, waters and skies should be our only military concern, along with discussions and negotiations with others being our main focus to try and pull back our way of life to something more productive and less fear-ridden here at home.

Soul · 10-26-2007, 07:01 AM

Well said Slinki

[DvT]UY · 10-28-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by slinki

I have no problem with their reform and realignment as long as it doesn't involve the US military influeces and isn't a direct threat to others.

Our borders, waters and skies should be our only military concern, along with discussions and negotiations with others being our main focus to try and pull back our way of life to something more productive and less fear-ridden here at home.

That's great but hardly the point of the website which is...there is a finatical hate growing stronger and stronger. It wants you an me ...dead. Right or wrong, it hates America, Christians and Jews and anybody else that won't conform to Islam.

You can water it down, chalk it off to this an that...but that is what is occuring. If we left the middle east completely it would still want us dead.

Most Americans just don't want to come to grips with this but it doesn't change the reality of its existence.

slinki · 10-29-2007, 02:58 AM

I understood the website and wasn't missing the point, UY. I just think it goes deeper.

Following my temporary acceptance that these people just hated me because I was told so by our politicians and media, I've come to grips with a few things that to me seem a bit more rooted in reality; killing in the name of freedom is wrong, conquering and taking another countries resources in the name of freedom is wrong and forcefully spreading democracy to other countries when our democratic system is flawed and unchecked here at home...is wrong. I do not think that empirical expansion is noble and I do not think that it will go on without some sort of retaliation, regardless of what label a politician or media organization wants to put on it, in this case, terrorism and hate.

Western governments have been tinkering and meddling in that region since before the Middle East oil rush of the 1930's and it's time to let these people sort out their own problems and let global economics work themselves out without mobilizing troops. Will this happen? Not as long as they are sitting on the largest desired resource on the planet and western governments find the solution to their economic downturn in the form of expansion. War is based on the control of territory & resources and these middle eastern countries are rich with wealth and desired resources. If Kuwait was exporting broccoli would we have rushed to their aid? It's quite doubtful that we would have even though that war was also sold to the general public with the slogan of freedom and anthems of pride.

If they (radical Islam) want to kill me then let them come. I will defend my homeland, way of life and family just as they are defending theirs. I would expect nothing less from any patriot. However, I will not drink the 'kool-aid' theories served-up by politicians, propoganda websites and corporate media in their attempt to haul me aboard a bandwagon of fear & war that continues to drive our economy to the edge of depression and at the same time expand the current operations into Iran.

Sorry, I just don't buy it.

[DvT]UY · 10-29-2007, 10:52 PM

You not buying American foreign policy doesn't change radical Islam and its motive. It is what it is. It hates us and wants us dead.

{DvT}JonahHex · 10-31-2007, 04:46 PM

So what is the solution? I presume that "they" want "us" dead can be perceived as a problem. How does one solve this problem? It is well established that blood feuds are self-perpetuating. "They" killed "us" on 9/11. We killed them when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. They responded with an "insurgency." We responded with a "surge."

Since I also presume that ending the cycle of violence is desirable, how do we stop it? Presumably they have what they consider good reasons for wanting to kill us - whether we consider the reasons good or not is immaterial...our perception of their reasons won't change their minds; if anything our perception of their reasons as being invalid only reinforces the validity in their minds.

Conjuring hatred and fear of them only leaves one avenue open: kill 'em all before they kill us. Are there other solutions? If not, then it must be realized and accepted that "all" does not mean "some" or "most." This has a name: genocide.

[DvT]UY · 10-31-2007, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by {DvT}JonahHex

So what is the solution? I presume that "they" want "us" dead can be perceived as a problem. How does one solve this problem? It is well established that blood feuds are self-perpetuating. "They" killed "us" on 9/11. We killed them when we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. They responded with an "insurgency." We responded with a "surge."

Since I also presume that ending the cycle of violence is desirable, how do we stop it? Presumably they have what they consider good reasons for wanting to kill us - whether we consider the reasons good or not is immaterial...our perception of their reasons won't change their minds; if anything our perception of their reasons as being invalid only reinforces the validity in their minds.

Conjuring hatred and fear of them only leaves one avenue open: kill 'em all before they kill us. Are there other solutions? If not, then it must be realized and accepted that "all" does not mean "some" or "most." This has a name: genocide.

You make it complicated...as usual...when it isn't.

Btw..took you a long time to respond.

{DvT}JonahHex · 10-31-2007, 11:30 PM

If it isn't complicated, then what are the answers to the questions I've asked?