Obama invokes race card

[Revox]

Not to ruffle any feathers here, but before anyone takes this too far out of hand, I think the last few posts can be summed up by Sapient & Cheese's statements:

Originally Posted by {DvT}Sapient6

Would we accomplish something or would we just end up pissing each other off?

Originally Posted by Cheese

but the chances of going to a completely free market are almost nill so yeah

Judging by the polls, the chances Ron Paul has of gaining a nomination from the Republican party period are very slim... simply because there are not a whole lot of folks out there to support his ideas. (Disclaimer: This is not to discredit Ron Paul, his beliefs, or the similar beliefs of people who support Ron Paul.) Hell, at this point there are a couple candidates who I've personally thought had some good ideas that won't make it thru.

In a nutshell, whether or not his ideas would work is irrelevant. It will never see the light of day. There is no right or wrong on that subject, and Sapient is right; nothing could be accomplished with argument. After all an individual's views or opinions can never really be wrong (I know, I know... don't even start...lol).

In the end, this entire election will come down to two (possibly three) candidates. None of which may have been your personal candidate of choice. At which point, I always refer back to the wisdom of my favorite episode of South Park:

Let's get out the vote! Let's make our voices heard!
We've been given the right to choose between a douche and a turd.
It's democracy in action! Put your freedom to the test.
A big fat turd or a stupid douche. Which do you like best?

=)

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Revox

Not to ruffle any feathers here, but before anyone takes this too far out of hand, I think the last few posts can be summed up by Sapient & Cheese's statements:





Judging by the polls, the chances Ron Paul has of gaining a nomination from the Republican party period are very slim... simply because there are not a whole lot of folks out there to support his ideas. (Disclaimer: This is not to discredit Ron Paul, his beliefs, or the similar beliefs of people who support Ron Paul.) Hell, at this point there are a couple candidates who I've personally thought had some good ideas that won't make it thru.

In a nutshell, whether or not his ideas would work is irrelevant. It will never see the light of day. There is no right or wrong on that subject, and Sapient is right; nothing could be accomplished with argument. After all an individual's views or opinions can never really be wrong (I know, I know... don't even start...lol).

In the end, this entire election will come down to two (possibly three) candidates. None of which may have been your personal candidate of choice. At which point, I always refer back to the wisdom of my favorite episode of South Park:



=)

the goal is that if enough arguments happen people realize this and a change can happen. rp has gotten more support than a lot of other 'losers' in the past. it won't happen this election, but it's a step in the right direction, that is why arguing about whether his views will work or not is valid. i think it's possible that sometime in my lifetime someone like him will be voted in. that is, if we havn't gotten nuked by someone we've pissed off before then

[Revox]

Originally Posted by Cheese

the goal is that if enough arguments happen people realize this and a change can happen. rp has gotten more support than a lot of other 'losers' in the past. it won't happen this election, but it's a step in the right direction, that is why arguing about whether his views will work or not is valid. i think it's possible that sometime in my lifetime someone like him will be voted in. that is, if we havn't gotten nuked by someone we've pissed off before then

I see what you're saying Cheese, but I dunno... I've always thought arguing with someone over beliefs is the wrong way to go about getting someone to change their mind or "see the light" so to speak. A person will only change their mind if they're willing to do so and if said change makes sense to them.

To me, if enough people see the change proposed and it makes sense to them, they might make that change. However, as I was saying earlier... all that will be nearly impossible for your cause or any other cause for that matter when the masses in America are overwhelmingly apathetic and ignorant to those things that go on around them. Unfortunately I don't think that will change for a long, long time.

What are everyone's feelings on that? Can it change? What do you think it will take for the folks who don't give a damn to wake up? We can certainly take the IRC approach and slap them all with trout.

[{OF}Flying_Dutchman]

Is the election year over yet?

[{OF}Blong]

mmmm tttrrroouuuttt. smoked pelase .

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Revox

I see what you're saying Cheese, but I dunno... I've always thought arguing with someone over beliefs is the wrong way to go about getting someone to change their mind or "see the light" so to speak. A person will only change their mind if they're willing to do so and if said change makes sense to them.

To me, if enough people see the change proposed and it makes sense to them, they might make that change. However, as I was saying earlier... all that will be nearly impossible for your cause or any other cause for that matter when the masses in America are overwhelmingly apathetic and ignorant to those things that go on around them. Unfortunately I don't think that will change for a long, long time.

What are everyone's feelings on that? Can it change? What do you think it will take for the folks who don't give a damn to wake up? We can certainly take the IRC approach and slap them all with trout.

from what i've seen around the groups i am around, namely educated 18-25 year olds, there has been more discussion about this election than the last, namely due to people's excitement about actually agreeing with someone that they can vote for. that is why i think we will see more people like him come and as we get older and the people that are stuck in their ways die off things will change. most of the people voting for him are our age, so as we get older and mean more to politicians i can only imagine it will become more common

[{DvT}Sapient6]

Originally Posted by Cheese

i can argue without getting pissed off. until you insult me, which is how i took your post. to me it seemed like you were insinuating that i was one of those 'kooky ron paul supporters' with no intelligent reasoning behind it.

You took "there's one in every bunch" with a *winky* face and extrapolated that into kooky and unintelligent. I'd hesitate to discuss anything with you unless we already completely agreed on the subject, and even then I'd do so with caution.

[{OF}Flying_Dutchman]

It is always difficult to have these political threads. There is no substitute for a face to face discussion quite yet as we miss so much of the body language, intonations and other subtle hints that are such an important part of communication.

[Revox]

Amen!

[[HT]SnIpes]

Originally Posted by {OF}Blong

anyone that refuses to put his hand over his heart and sing the national anthem EVERY SINGLE TIME will NEVER get my vote. which means, sorry to say, Obama will NEVER get my vote.

This is what makes America...America


So what If he doesn't "put his hand over his heart", it doesn't change the way he feels about changing the country for the better. And believe me, after all the bullshit Bush has gotten us into, we need to let the world know we mean bussiness now. Obama will do a great job.

I still haven't seen a good enough reason why people don't vote for this guy..........