Virginia Tech - Page 4

Cheese · 04-19-2007, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dudio

That's the one thing I still don't understand.

If there was a shooting on campus, and no one was apprehended,
why wasn't the entire complex locked down?

now you guys are going to bring it all up. listen, it's not like a highschool where everything is right there. this is a HUGE campus. like town-size huge. so say some town has some domestic dispute and a guy shoots his love interest and her bf at a house and runs away. do the cops go and alert everyone around? NO. they figure it was a domestic thing and the guy high tailed it away. i fail to see how this **** is ANY DIFFERENT.

EVEN IF THEY LOCKED IT DOWN, the guy would have gone and ****ed **** up the next day. or get this, he lives in a dorm. dorms are setup pretty much like class rooms. hallway with a bunch of rooms, in the afternoon/night, a lot of the dorm doors are open.

honestly, there was no way to prevent this psycho from doing anything and everything claiming that it could have is retarded and just needs someone to blame other than the crazy *** who did it

and like has been said, they did wait to send an email, but i got that before i heard of the second shooting, so it was as if the first had just happened to me. i STILL WENT TO CAMPUS. as i'm sure many others would have. a shooting in AJ where the guy killed 2 people among many hundreds that lived there does not sound like a threat to me across the other side in an acedmic bui;lding. sure it seems obvious now, but thats because of what happened

i'm just ramblingnow, but people need to stop blaming tech for this ****

{OF}Blong · 04-19-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

now you guys are going to bring it all up. listen, it's not like a highschool where everything is right there. this is a HUGE campus. like town-size huge. so say some town has some domestic dispute and a guy shoots his love interest and her bf at a house and runs away. do the cops go and alert everyone around? NO. they figure it was a domestic thing and the guy high tailed it away. i fail to see how this **** is ANY DIFFERENT.

EVEN IF THEY LOCKED IT DOWN, the guy would have gone and ****ed **** up the next day. or get this, he lives in a dorm. dorms are setup pretty much like class rooms. hallway with a bunch of rooms, in the afternoon/night, a lot of the dorm doors are open.

honestly, there was no way to prevent this psycho from doing anything and everything claiming that it could have is retarded and just needs someone to blame other than the crazy *** who did it

and like has been said, they did wait to send an email, but i got that before i heard of the second shooting, so it was as if the first had just happened to me. i STILL WENT TO CAMPUS. as i'm sure many others would have. a shooting in AJ where the guy killed 2 people among many hundreds that lived there does not sound like a threat to me across the other side in an acedmic bui;lding. sure it seems obvious now, but thats because of what happened

i'm just ramblingnow, but people need to stop blaming tech for this ****

cheese from what I understand (tell me if im wrong) he shot someone IN THE DORMS. That would be reason enough right there to lock down the whole campus and trust me its not that hard for campus to get locked down because they did it at MTU once on me. now MTU only has about 6k students which im sure is less than vtech but even so it should have been locked down if my impressions are correct about the dorm shooting.

ChemicalWarrior · 04-19-2007, 06:07 PM

VT has just under 30,000 students. It is a very large campus system. It would be impossible. It would be like shutting down a entire small city for each domestic dispute. Hell, how would you even "lock down" a campus that large? Just comparing students to MU (both around the same) and just a guess at size then it would be completely impossible. Sure you could lock doors but if you want in then it is not going to stop you. There would be no way to have forces to guard each building unless you managed to get the army there very quickly. Not only that, but if your first thoughts is domestic disput gone very bad then are you really going to do this? I don't know of any adminstrative group that would.

What happened was very bad, but thinking logically there was little VT could have done. The kid needed help, badly, but if you've ever had experience in trying to aid someone with a mental illness you would quickly understand just how hard it is. For example, most people who are released from a mental hospital stop taking the medication within 72 hours. It is nearly impossible without strict watch, and that is extremely rare in itself. Like is typical in todays modern media there is much sensationalism without care for strong details or reporting on what happened and instead the drama is more important for ratings than true facts.

{OF}Blong · 04-19-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ChemicalWarrior

VT has just under 30,000 students. It is a very large campus system. It would be impossible. It would be like shutting down a entire small city for each domestic dispute. Hell, how would you even "lock down" a campus that large? Just comparing students to MU (both around the same) and just a guess at size then it would be completely impossible. Sure you could lock doors but if you want in then it is not going to stop you. There would be no way to have forces to guard each building unless you managed to get the army there very quickly. Not only that, but if your first thoughts is domestic disput gone very bad then are you really going to do this? I don't know of any adminstrative group that would.

What happened was very bad, but thinking logically there was little VT could have done. The kid needed help, badly, but if you've ever had experience in trying to aid someone with a mental illness you would quickly understand just how hard it is. For example, most people who are released from a mental hospital stop taking the medication within 72 hours. It is nearly impossible without strict watch, and that is extremely rare in itself. Like is typical in todays modern media there is much sensationalism without care for strong details or reporting on what happened and instead the drama is more important for ratings than true facts.

who said you had to lock doors? just shut down the dorms. I am sure they have an emergency sound system as well that they could have "alerted" the whole campus.

ChemicalWarrior · 04-19-2007, 06:38 PM

What would that have down? Two were killed in the dorm building. Shutting down the rest of the dorms would have prevented nothing further and would have only caused a number of people to be out of the dorms.

Alerting the entire campus would have done what? Put them on alert. Which would have done? Nothing at all really. Again, there is most certainly not enough man power to cover and protect every building. Therefore the murderer could still easily enter a building.

Wildflower · 04-19-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChemicalWarrior

What would that have down? Two were killed in the dorm building. Shutting down the rest of the dorms would have prevented nothing further and would have only caused a number of people to be out of the dorms.

Alerting the entire campus would have done what? Put them on alert. Which would have done? Nothing at all really. Again, there is most certainly not enough man power to cover and protect every building. Therefore the murderer could still easily enter a building.

it would have made alot of students/faculty/people who live in the area go to their homes rather than to a classroom.

dudio · 04-19-2007, 07:09 PM

Cheese: Not blaming anyone other than a guy that appeared to be schizo.
.. just trying to understand it better (if that's at all possible)

ChemicalWarrior · 04-19-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildflower

it would have made alot of students/faculty/people who live in the area go to their homes rather than to a classroom.

That's running around in circles. If you shut down the dorms then how are people going to get in? Or do you show proof? Then you run into the big issue that the guy lived in a dorm himself and would have such proof...

{OF}Blong · 04-19-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ChemicalWarrior

That's running around in circles. If you shut down the dorms then how are people going to get in? Or do you show proof? Then you run into the big issue that the guy lived in a dorm himself and would have such proof...

uhh duh you have police around the dorms. You will obviously get "frisked" on the way in and/or out but alot less people would have died.

Dynamic · 04-19-2007, 08:56 PM

but at the time, they didnt know something like this was going to happen either..... if someone gets shot in new york, they dont expect that person to go to a mall and start shooting everyone he sees in the mall .... they dont lock down the entire city, they did not know it would be this big, the video was not sent to NBC untill after the initial shootings, and he recorded more video after the first shooting too, in his dorm room from what it looks liek on the news... the news people are blaming that movie or whatever alraedy, only time will tell whatelse they start banning everywhere...