Virginia Tech

[{OF}Blong]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

but at the time, they didnt know something like this was going to happen either..... if someone gets shot in new york, they dont expect that person to go to a mall and start shooting everyone he sees in the mall .... they dont lock down the entire city, they did not know it would be this big, the video was not sent to NBC untill after the initial shootings, and he recorded more video after the first shooting too, in his dorm room from what it looks liek on the news... the news people are blaming that movie or whatever alraedy, only time will tell whatelse they start banning everywhere...

but a shooting in a Dorm is very different than a shooting in some apartment building.

[LoPo]

Originally Posted by {OF}Blong

but a shooting in a Dorm is very different than a shooting in some apartment building.

how do you figure?

[{OF}Malicious Assault]

Why is it different? Just because it happened in a dorm. It was at least 2 hours after the first shooting that the second start. From my experiences as a cop for 11 years, even if they had shut things down, they would have gone back to business as usual by the time the second shooting started. Then there would have probably been more people in the halls going to class. There was no reason for the police to think that the first shooting was going to continue to the second. Most psychopaths dont wait 2 hours to continue their killing spree. The only person to blame for this shooting is the person who did it. The police and school staff did the best they could with the information they had. I makes me sick that the media is allowed to manipulate people into blaming someone other than the person that did the crime.

[{OF}Erad]

Originally Posted by {OF}Malicious Assault

Why is it different? Just because it happened in a dorm. It was at least 2 hours after the first shooting that the second start. From my experiences as a cop for 11 years, even if they had shut things down, they would have gone back to business as usual by the time the second shooting started. Then there would have probably been more people in the halls going to class. There was no reason for the police to think that the first shooting was going to continue to the second. Most psychopaths dont wait 2 hours to continue their killing spree. The only person to blame for this shooting is the person who did it. The police and school staff did the best they could with the information they had. I makes me sick that the media is allowed to manipulate people into blaming someone other than the person that did the crime.

DITTO!

If he had left a note at the first crime scene stating he was going to the class rooms to do what he did, that is a different story. He could have easily gone to a Strip Joint and done his rampage shooting there instead. You can't 2nd guess without known motives or clues. A lock down of the Whole US would have prevented this? NOT! So, I agree that you can't blame VT. The Press is the Press..... Can't trust them as far as you can...... heck, they sway the elections every 2 years....... and stupid people believe what they hear from the press as the solid proof, instead of listening, thinking, processing and forming thier own much more intelligent opinion based on facts, not what the press spews for ratings...

[{OF}Blong]

Because a Dorm is full of students and is government financed (in an indirect way of course) wheresa most apartments are not full of students. Dorms also conatian 3 to 4 students per Room (note room is not apartment) so there are more students in the dorms than in some apartment or house somewhere. There is more of a chance of "slaughter" in a dorm than in some apartment somewhere. Im not blaming anyone for anything except the shooter. All im asking is why were the dorms at least locked down? That doesnt mean im saying that the school/police didnt do what they should cause well im no expert (as MA pointed out .)

[ChemicalWarrior]

Originally Posted by {OF}Blong

uhh duh you have police around the dorms. You will obviously get "frisked" on the way in and/or out but alot less people would have died.

Sure, you have campus police but at every dorm? How thin will you be spread then? Anyway, as MT said the lock down probably would have been over before the second shooting even occurred. There was nothing the school or the city could have done. The media has just done (once again) a horrible job of portraying the events.

[LoPo]

why nit pick the actions.... hindsight is 20-20... from my side of the country, all reactions occurred and were inline as they should have been. This guy premeditated this event.... he was going to carry it out regardless.

A shooting at a dorm does not constitute locking down or rather attempting to lock down 26,000 students. Nothing signaled there was going to be additional shooting or action.

[Dynamic]

They also would not expect the kid to stick around after the shootings, seeing that there was no evidence that he would return like previously stated. With the size of the campus police, and police force around virginia tech, state, local and other ... without calling everyone from home, calling government agencies and such.... swat.... yeah, they woulda been spread too thin to even make a difference. 26,000-30,000 students vs maybe 1,000 law enforcement unrealisticly, and prolly around 200 if they were lucky. with a campus that is well ....
http://www.vt.edu/about/

Main campus includes more than 100 buildings, 2,600 acres, and an airport

that doesnt count off campus dorms and frat houses, which they prolly also shoulda protected and locked down according to you? ummm cheah right.... start thinking here. that would be 2 police per building, and then still have to cover major buildings like the auditorium, and classroom buildings ... cmon now.
http://www.vt.edu/where_we_are/maps/...t_main_map.pdf

[LoPo]

Originally Posted by Dynamic

start thinking here.

lmao agreed.

[Dynamic]

on another note, we can talk about this.... lets not get too politically stressed, and start turning this into a P&G thread from the other .... unmentioned site.